32. Exploring Smart Contact Lenses and Transhumanism with Roman Axelrod
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Roman Axelrod [00:00:00]:
We need to create the next generation of humans using technology. Partly, it has already happened. Your smartphone is your memory. Your smartphone is the way to communicate with those locating on the other side of the planet. The time has come to incorporate technology inside human body to merge humans with technology.
Mizter Rad [00:00:32]:
Welcome to the Mizter Rad show, where I talk to the most interesting global personalities about the future of humanity. Hello, beautiful humans. Today, I'm with Roman Axelrod, the co founder and visionary entrepreneur behind XPANCEO. XPANCEO is a company that is building the computers of the future. And listen to this. These computers are the size of contact lenses. You can basically wear your phone on your eyes. Roman, how are you doing?
Roman Axelrod [00:01:10]:
Quite fine, thank you. How are you? Thanks for having me.
Mizter Rad [00:01:14]:
I'm good, I'm good. Thank you so much. Tell me something, Roman. Let's start with you telling me why squeezing computing into a. A contact lens is a good idea.
Roman Axelrod [00:01:28]:
Well, you see, thing is that we don't really try to squeeze a whole computing system onto the eye. We have gathered around the idea that we create a contact lens. Normal looking, normal feeling, soft. Hydrogel made contact lens with the ability to provide you with picture, to provide you with one infinite screen that will connect all the edges than to measure your biological parameters and to provide you with a night vision. Thing is that computing power itself, the place where the information is being analyzed, is not on the contact lens, it is somewhere else. We call it a companion device, a device probably size of an airport's case, that will contain the computing power and the ability to sim card to connect with Internet. That's basically the gadget we're trying to build.
Mizter Rad [00:02:33]:
Sorry, you're building right now, this computing device that is the size of, let's say, an airport. Airport case, that's what you're building now.
Roman Axelrod [00:02:42]:
Both we built, by now we have have, we started two years ago. By now we have a reliable working prototype of the contact lens that is able to show you picture. So basically you can take it with your hand, look through this contact plants, and you will see a monochrome picture. Later, of course, it will be multicolor. So by now we have a few prototypes of the contact lens, each end indicating separate functions, providing picture, measuring biological parameters, etc, etcetera. We have been incredibly lucky to gather some of the brightest minds of modern physics and optics within one roof. Under one roof. And we have already been recognized by BCG as top five optics labs in the world and by nature as top ten research institutions in all field of science.
Roman Axelrod [00:03:46]:
In the UAE, United territory Emirates, where we have our lab, currently there are 45 of us, 33 of whom are either physicists or engineers, and we intend to approach human trials of those gadgets somewhere within 2026.
Mizter Rad [00:04:10]:
Okay, so right now, what you have is a prototype or several prototypes. And you're working on developing that prototype so that you can go into human trial in about two years.
Roman Axelrod [00:04:23]:
Absolutely. We have an almost industrial grid prototype, and you're very welcome to check it on YouTube or our website or address. We have been pretty open. We shared some pictures with the community, or in case somehow you appear, you find yourself in Dubai, you're very much welcome to give me a call to drop me a message, and I will be happy to invite you to our lab.
Mizter Rad [00:04:57]:
So tell me something. How does it work? So you said that right now is a monochrome picture and that you cannot really put it in your eye yet. You have to use it from outside.
Roman Axelrod [00:05:09]:
Kind of, or technically you can, but it is illegal. We need to conduct human trials before we try it on humans. But in case we would have been and some. So on another planet, I would say where there are no legal restrictions there, you will be able to use it right now.
Mizter Rad [00:05:35]:
Okay. So you would be able to put it in just as a normal contact lens. And it feels. It would. It would feel exactly the same as a normal contact lens.
Roman Axelrod [00:05:44]:
That's the whole idea behind the company, to create a gadget that will provide just a normal contact lens feeling. Because probably you've heard of our main editor, Smalljohnetz, a deep tech company from California. We admire those guys. They were pioneers of this, this whole type of gadget. They done a substantial work, and their CEO, Drew Perkins, even appeared in front of the camera wearing a smart contact lens. They're incredible. We admire them, but they had the different strategy. They decided to create a rigid contact, so called scleral contacts, which is probably four times bigger than a normal hydrogen.
Roman Axelrod [00:06:38]:
We, on the contrary, we wanted to create a gadget for probably, I would say, more broad market. So we decided to concentrate on soft lens. But at the same time, we do try to create rigid lenses as well, because in some instances, like, for example, wearing in space, you will need those rigid lenses. So basically, in space, astronauts, they are required to wear rigid contact lenses to help them improve intraocular pressure. They sleep in those lenses.
Mizter Rad [00:07:17]:
Ah, I didn't know that. So basically, the lens that provides the right pressure on the eye in space.
Roman Axelrod [00:07:25]:
Yes, exactly.
Mizter Rad [00:07:26]:
Okay.
Roman Axelrod [00:07:26]:
Astronauts and International Space Station, yes, they're obliged to wear rigid contact lenses while they sleep.
Mizter Rad [00:07:39]:
And that's the only function that the lens has at the moment for.
Roman Axelrod [00:07:42]:
Yes, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So why shouldn't we create this rigid contact lens, but the XR, but with XR functions. And actually, one of the products we intend to develop in the future is a contact lens for space map. Because there are huge, huge amount of use cases in outer space for such a gadget. You can take a laptop there, or a tablet.
Mizter Rad [00:08:06]:
Interesting, interesting. Okay, so let's go back to your, your main technology. That is this hydrogel contact lens, as far as I understand.
Roman Axelrod [00:08:16]:
No, hydrogel contact lens is just. Hydrogel is just a material from which the lens is built. The main technology behind our company is the ability to create new materials. Just look at those gadgets we have now. Phones, XR helmets, XR glasses, etc. Etcetera. They're all big, they're all bulky, they're all not interchangeable. Most of them are ugly.
Roman Axelrod [00:08:51]:
Why? Why? So the answer is very simple. The generation of technology we have right now prevents us from creating small electronics. Why Apple vision Pro is so big? Because you cannot put silicon based chips onto a normal looking glass cells. You cannot put a. Why, why do they have this battery with this separate battery? Because in order to provide the amount of electricity required for such a gadget, you need a big battery. You can not use a battery size like this. You need a big battery. So we decided, we, as a company, we decided to skip, just to skip the whole generation of technology and not to use lithium ion batteries, not to use silicon based chips.
Roman Axelrod [00:09:50]:
We decided to create our own materials and to produce components of gadgets from those materials. My co founder, Valentin, he appears to be one of the world's most well known scientists in the field of nano optics and new materials. And we have been incredibly lucky together, a team that is able to create one atom thin materials. I'm not joking that they are literally one atom thin. You have probably heard about this, about that as two dimensional materials. I've probably heard the very hyped word graphite. This is one of the two dimensional materials. Well, we, as a company, we develop those two dimensional materials like two dimensional acid, gold, you name it.
Roman Axelrod [00:10:53]:
We develop new materials, transparent, thin enough, biocompatible, and able to provide electricity with a bigger speed than silicon is capable. Then we create components from these materials. That's how we know how that is. Well, the whole company emerged from a lab which developed new materials.
Mizter Rad [00:11:23]:
So can you give me an example of one of those new materials and how you're using them on? Because the final product, as far as I understand, okay, the materials is the base of your technology, the main thing. But then the final product you want to bring to the consumer is a contact lens. So what? So just give me an example of what kind of material that you have sort of worked with or developed into that prototype of that contact lens that is unique or special.
Roman Axelrod [00:11:57]:
Well, thing is that I cannot disclose the materials that were used in our components because that is, that is the value of the company. But I can provide you with some reliable examples from the, or from the overall two dimensional world. In some instances, in case properly produced, graphene may be 300 times more rigid than steel is. And for example, you can create some sort of protection for law enforcement out of this material. Or, well, basically, you can. Well, in case you're crazy enough, you can build bridges out of this material, and they will be 300 times more rigid than the actual bridges we have right now. Thing is that, you know, we are a happy child appeared from a marriage of it product company and a deep tech lab. And me, as a tech entrepreneur, I had an idea of creating the next generation of computing.
Roman Axelrod [00:13:19]:
I just wanted to create the next computer of humanity. I approached the scientists that, in my opinion, would be able to help me to create such a gadget. And then we married this, their capacity to create such components with my vision of the next generation of computing. Without this vision, we wouldn't have become a product company. There are plenty of deep tech companies out there in the field developing just new material or just a sensor. We, as Steve Jobs said, take a customer and then work backwards towards the technology. We were like, I want to create next computing device of humanity. What do I need in order to do that? And it just so appeared that in order to create such a gadget, I need very small components.
Roman Axelrod [00:14:26]:
How can I create small components while I need new materials? Because I cannot create them out of silicon and lithium batteries. So I need a guy who is able to create you materials. It just so happened that, oh, my God. Like 13 years ago, two russian scientists came and Nova Scotia, they received a Nobel prize for discovering new properties of two dimensional materials. And that is how graphene and the whole two dimensional movement was created. And to be frank, became very hyped at a certain .5 years ago. So I approached those scientists and, well, persuaded them that their scientific endeavors should be aimed at creation of the new computer, and not just writing scientific papers, but try to create the gadgets.
Mizter Rad [00:15:28]:
Okay, so you went to the scientists and you convinced them to basically put their whatever findings they had into practice. And from there on, basically combine this idea of solving a problem for the end consumer with the new advancements in research that are related to materials that can be miniaturized.
Roman Axelrod [00:15:53]:
Absolutely. I wouldn't be able to formulate it better myself.
Mizter Rad [00:15:58]:
Okay, so tell me something. When you talk about the materials and materials being your technology and you working backwards at the same time, from the client perspective, why did you come down to the future, or part of the future of the, of the human computers has to be in a lens.
Roman Axelrod [00:16:18]:
Yeah.
Mizter Rad [00:16:18]:
Why, why do you think that's important?
Roman Axelrod [00:16:21]:
Well, you see, um, my overall, uh, addiction to the idea of new computing, of new, next generation of computing started with, uh, with the, um, proper understanding that, well, humanity has set itself a few targets for 21st century to radically improve quality of life and probably term of life, and to become interplanetary species. We will not be able to live 200 years or to travel to Mars with the, this kind of gadgets. You see, the overall human being is not capable of achieving those targets. And I really do believe that in order to achieve those targets, even 100 year targets, it's nothing, not even 1000 year target, just a hundred years. We need to create something that will evolve from the marriage of humans with technology. So basically, we need to create the next generation of humans using technology. And partly it has already happened. Your smartphone is your memory, your smartphone is the way to communicate with those locating on the other side of the planet.
Roman Axelrod [00:17:58]:
But the time has come to incorporate technology inside human body to merge humans with technology. I know the sounds may go many, but I really do believe that the next generation of computing is ecosystem of software and apps built directly into humans, that humans can jointly operate using different interfaces. Let's put it very simple. In case you have Apple MacBook, iPhone, and, I don't know, other Apple gadgets, Apple made gadgets. You use same ecosystem of software in apps, using different interfaces. I think that in ten to 20 years, we will have spatial computers as sort of a breach to neural interfaces. Before neural interfaces, before being fully emerged into the digital world, we will have spatial computers like, think of it as a Tony Stark computer. Bang.
Roman Axelrod [00:19:14]:
3d world appears around you, you operated by eyes, by voice, by gesture. You have your key point of contact, your javas, your AI assistant, and this.
Mizter Rad [00:19:27]:
Sorry, did you say your jaw is your AI assistant?
Roman Axelrod [00:19:30]:
Sure. Absolutely.
Mizter Rad [00:19:31]:
How is that? What do you mean with that?
Roman Axelrod [00:19:33]:
Well, I mean that central, the central standpoint of the next generation of computing, appearing like from five to ten years, will definitely be a generative AI. You will use this sort of technology to provide commands and to perform any type of interaction with the content, be it a movie or the necessity to open your door. You will. You in. In my ideal world, you will just think, Lance, open my car, and my son will be able to open the car. And I'm in California, my car is in Berlin, and I just think, open my car, and the car is opened, and my son is able to take groceries out of the car.
Mizter Rad [00:20:28]:
I don't know if I misunderstand, but you said jaw AI. So is it mainly thoughts that trigger an action in this future scenario, or is it also voice, or you have different kinds of ways of interacting with it?
Roman Axelrod [00:20:44]:
First of all, the first thing we will have in a few years is controlling gadgets with the glass. Then it comes voice and gestures. Of course, the holy grail is mine is just to operate everything by thought. I admire companies like Neuralink trying to facilitate this future, trying to contribute to this future. But on a personal level, I'm not quite sure that current generation of humans will be widely okay with installing something inside their heads. And here, non invasive neural interfaces come on the stage and contact glance might be actually is one of those non invasive neural interfaces. Neural interfaces. Let's not forget that the eye is a part of the brain.
Roman Axelrod [00:21:41]:
The eye is directly connected to the brain. With a contact lens. You may take, like shit ton of information about the. The overall well being of the human, and you will definitely be able to take commands from. From the brain with the lens.
Mizter Rad [00:21:59]:
Give me an example. Let's say you're wearing one of your contact lenses in ten years from now, and it's a normal day, you go out of your apartment, and what can you do with that contact lens?
Roman Axelrod [00:22:10]:
Thing is, imagine you can do anything. I mean, literally anything. Yeah. You leave your apartment, you need to lock your door. Just lock my door, then open my car, turn my car on, ignite my car. I need to, I don't know, pay for groceries. Well, of course I can pay with my face. Of course I can pay with my retina, but, well, there are at least three types of security layers.
Roman Axelrod [00:22:45]:
Then, of course, you will be able to instantly get any type of information about everything in your world. Like, starting from. What is that? Oh, it's a jumper made by H and M in 2017. It may be bottled there, there, and there, ending with. Who is that? Oh, that's. I don't know. Jeremy Smith. He's 33 years old.
Roman Axelrod [00:23:20]:
He works as a plumber. His Facebook is there. Well, of course, here comes a very, very sensitive thing about personal information. But I think we, humanity has already preserved this question, and we have a lot, lots, lots, lots of laws specializing in this, this domain, then you will be able to measure all your biological parameters. And once you and after receive advance, not just, you know, like, not apple watches advice, like, your blood pressure is high, but the advice like the lance sees something and tells you, oh, here's Roman Axelrod. Reduce the amount of child. Don't, don't, don't. Basically, don't talk to him.
Roman Axelrod [00:24:15]:
He irritates you.
Mizter Rad [00:24:17]:
Okay.
Roman Axelrod [00:24:17]:
So when you talk to him too much, your blood pressure becomes high and you feel bad for the rest of the day. I mean, this type of, this type.
Mizter Rad [00:24:29]:
Of advice, can you also, I guess you could also zoom in and zoom out and stuff like that.
Roman Axelrod [00:24:35]:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Zoom and night vision are my. All my muscles.
Mizter Rad [00:24:43]:
Okay. And tell me something, when I guess the battery is one of those things that, let's say, are essential, maybe more complex to integrate. How do you see that?
Roman Axelrod [00:24:57]:
Well, actually, this is kind of funny, because this gadget needs a very little amount of energy. The key problem behind XR glasses and helmets is the amount of energy they need to function and to provide good quality of the picture. This gadget requires so little energy that basically basic use cases are fed with the energy acquired from a human body.
Mizter Rad [00:25:35]:
Like fluids or what?
Roman Axelrod [00:25:37]:
No, the heat of the body. Then it comes to tear fluid. Let's not forget that there are plenty of salt in tear fluid. This may be used as a fuel as well. Then it comes to solar energy, of course.
Mizter Rad [00:25:58]:
You mean, like, if I look at the sun, I recharge my lenses kind of thing?
Roman Axelrod [00:26:03]:
Absolutely. Well, basically, if you look at none, you don't need to look direct at the sun. You just need to use the lens.
Mizter Rad [00:26:12]:
While the sun to open your eyes, basically.
Roman Axelrod [00:26:15]:
Yes, basically to open your eyes. Correct. And the fourth thing, which is very important as well, is wireless transmission of the energy. It is widely adopted already in cardio simulators, for example. So basically, you will be able to charge your lance wirelessly. And we put many effort, very many efforts in trying to, I have to emphasize, like 100 times, we do not have it yet, but we try to grant the lance with the ability to charge from the Wi Fi. So basically, every time you are within the Wi Fi connection, you charge your gadget, but of course, you come home, you take them off, you put them onto this companion device, and they charge this companion device while.
Mizter Rad [00:27:13]:
But tell me something. The computing power, the computing processing is in this companion device, or is it shared in both devices, or where is that.
Roman Axelrod [00:27:24]:
No, no, no. Think about the lens as about the screen.
Mizter Rad [00:27:27]:
Screen? Yeah. Okay.
Roman Axelrod [00:27:29]:
You will have your computing power and the means of contacting global network installed in a companion device. Well, within the first years. It of course may be your smartphone. Why not? We do not. We really do believe that the next generation of computing is an ecosystem of software relapse. And you will have multiple interfaces for multiple use cases and live scenarios. You may use your, I don't know, projector or your glasses or your helmet while in the office. You use your lens while jogging or while driving a bike or whatever, or doing sports.
Roman Axelrod [00:28:16]:
And we do not intend to kill other interfaces. We just want to provide humans with an interface for a very narrow use. As now we have at least two interfaces, like a laptop and a flat screen phone, while in five to ten years, we will have at least two to three interfaces. We believe that smart contact lens is one of them. And we specifically decided to start with contact lenses because there aren't many trying to create it. It's just too complicated. And in case you want to create, to contribute to future computers and the overall idea of creating a company was to create a company that will contribute to future of computing and to future computers and to creation of next. Sorry, I know it sounds megalomaniac, but the overall idea was to create a company that will help create next generation of humans by merging them with computing technology.
Roman Axelrod [00:29:31]:
That was the overall idea.
Mizter Rad [00:29:34]:
Basically transhuman.
Roman Axelrod [00:29:36]:
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Both myself and my co founder, Valentin, are huge fans of transhumanism. And, well, we really do believe that it will happen inevitably.
Mizter Rad [00:29:51]:
All right, and so do you think in that same line of thought, do you think that there will be a virtual layer everywhere? Forests, deep oceans, in the air, you know, pilots, or maybe not pilots anymore, but in the air, when you're like in a plane or whatever, are virtual layers gonna be everywhere?
Roman Axelrod [00:30:15]:
Absolutely. I think that we will see the competition of two conceptions. First, virtual layer everywhere. Basically everything becomes your screen, walls, kitchen, countertop, everything, even yourself, everything. And, well, the very first idea. Before starting a company, I explored the possibility to send visual contact directly onto the eye to, without any lenses or interfaces, just, you know, I wanted a gadget that will screencast, that will screencast the contact, the content directly, directly onto the inside my head. But then I found out that it's, by now it's impossible, and decided that I will concentrate on the ones. So thing is that everything we're talking about is sort of a dark age of gadgets.
Roman Axelrod [00:31:20]:
Truly, humanity waits for a next generation of gadgets that will merge humans with Internet. And personally, I'm absolutely convinced that it will happen when neural interfaces will become widely adopted. At this point of time, the overall concept of human body and having a body, having a healthy body, will become a luxury.
Mizter Rad [00:31:50]:
So why do you say that?
Roman Axelrod [00:31:53]:
Well, I think that in 50 years, in 5200 years, the whole concept of having a normal, functioning human body will be something like having a sport car today or a boat or a yacht. Why do you need that? You may just lie in your capsule like the matrix, like a matrix movie. You may just remain in your capsule and conduct all kinds of your activities from that capsule being plugged into this neural interface. And you might wish to take a real world walk using your body, but this, I think, will be considered as a luxury. And here comes. I have a lot of ideas about body sharing, and, well, please share them.
Mizter Rad [00:32:58]:
What is that? What do you mean with body sharing?
Roman Axelrod [00:33:00]:
Well, check this. Great movie, not movie, great tv series, altered carbon. They imagine the whole concept of interplanetary connections as sending off the body of the human. But the, the information that a human consists of just to send this information wirelessly from one planet to another and to download it to a different body that is located on the different planet.
Mizter Rad [00:33:37]:
What is it called? What's it called? What's the name of the series again?
Roman Axelrod [00:33:40]:
Altered carbo. Okay, so I may envision a future when three or four young men will have, will buy a body share of a young, beautifully looking person to go to a real world and to share it between. Friday is yours, Monday is mine.
Mizter Rad [00:34:11]:
Okay, I see.
Roman Axelrod [00:34:12]:
But it's very lo and musk ish. It's mock department. That will happen from. It will happen in 50 years, probably. And the next generation of computing is, of course, speech is a screen, either everything as a screen or a screen directly onto the.
Mizter Rad [00:34:35]:
So both worlds will coexist, in your opinion?
Roman Axelrod [00:34:40]:
Absolutely. At some within, within the next 2030 years, both words will coexist, and then the digital world will start prevailing, and eventually we will be all emerged into one single network of information, and that.
Mizter Rad [00:35:02]:
Would be the next sort of generation of human beings that are not homo sapiens anymore.
Roman Axelrod [00:35:09]:
But I would say that at this point, we will, we'll be close to losing the overall concept of a human being as something separate from this network.
Mizter Rad [00:35:22]:
Tell me something. Do you ever doubt if our physical capabilities are designed to cope with the amount of information that right now, the digital world fits us with? Like, you see a lot of people burning out, you see a lot of stress. Mental health is a big thing right now. And I think, and it's proven by science, that there's a lot of this comes from so much information that we have to consume or deal with, and almost, there's no way out to it. And I feel like this path to that world that you're just describing will take a toll on our health.
Roman Axelrod [00:36:05]:
Absolutely. You know, I have a very good example illustrating your, your theory. My grandfather, who has passed away a few years ago, he was born in early thirties, so he lived the vast majority of his life with no computers. So. And of course, the, the amount of information he consumed during his 85 years on planet Earth was probably even less that I, that I have already consumed. And I'm 33. So my grandfather was able, as he was 85 years old, like three, three, four months before he passed away, he was able to tell by heart the poem he learned at school 65 years ago. 65 years ago, he learned a poem at school.
Roman Axelrod [00:37:12]:
The poem is huge. It's like 30 PDF pages, yet he was able to tell it by heart 65 years after that, after the moment he learned it. I can't even remember where my keys are. Yes, definitely. Human brain has its capacity. And that is why, actually, I tell my younger brothers and sisters to learn not to use their high school and I tell them not to use GPT so much and to try to learn formulas, try to learn math and try to think, because you have, your brain has a certain amount of capacity, and since you have, since you, you, since you, you're young and you still have some amount of this capacity, you should fill it with, with good stuff and not exist. Scrolling tiktoks, right?
Mizter Rad [00:38:22]:
Well, that's a big concern as well. And on that same note, I wanted to ask you, if you were in your late teens or early twenties, what advice would you give to yourself?
Roman Axelrod [00:38:33]:
Oh, my God. To myself or to anyone who is like 20 years?
Mizter Rad [00:38:39]:
Well, anyone that is listening right now, for example, that is maybe finishing school or starting university, don't listen so much.
Roman Axelrod [00:38:47]:
To your parents and to your friends. My, just a quick example, in case I would have listened myself and not my father. He's a great man. He dedicated his life to his family, but he wasn't even able to imagine that someone can start such a business as I do. Not. It wasn't just only within his mind. He wanted me to become an engineer, to become a physicist, to become an engineer, to work hard, to make a good career like himself. And he, he's very successful career wise.
Roman Axelrod [00:39:31]:
He's very successful, but I was always at my, and I followed his advice because I respected him immensely and I still do respect, but I always felt that that's, that I'm, I'm making a movie with my eyes. That's not me. It happens with someone else. And in case I would have listened myself, my gut, my heart to my real intentions, what really, what do I really do want to do in my, with my life? I would have started my first company way earlier than I did. So don't listen to society, listen to your parents, don't, don't listen to your loved ones. Listen to yourself.
Mizter Rad [00:40:15]:
It's hard to, it's hard to listen to yourself also, especially with all those, that information that comes in more and more.
Roman Axelrod [00:40:23]:
Yes, it is especially hard and oh, my God, don't listen to social networks. Do not listen to, do not believe what the, what the, what you see networks, do not, do not spend time, do not spend your emotions, do not let, do not let the world influence your judgments. In case you want to be, and you know, you clearly want to be a doctor, you want to save lives. But Esther Glenn tells you, man, you can't live without Rolls Royce. What? Well, the purpose of life of a doctor is not to have a Rolls Royce, is to save lives. The purpose of rifle entrepreneur is to contribute to, well, at least deep tech entrepreneur is to contribute to the overall humanity. And in the, in the domain he has chosen, like biotech or heart attack or deep tech or whatever, I don't know. Just take responsibility for yourself and make your own decisions.
Roman Axelrod [00:41:31]:
Listen, of course, of course you should listen to advice, especially to advice from those who love you. But after acquiring all those advices and information, just be honest with yourself and take your own decisions.
Mizter Rad [00:41:50]:
Tell me something, Roman, how do you think the world will look like in 50 years from now?
Roman Axelrod [00:41:57]:
Well, I have many, I have a few ideas about that and well, during past 50 years, like 50 to 100 years, especially western christian civilization had always had a feeling and understanding that the next generation is going to look better that year generation today, I'm afraid we do not have peacefully. To be honest, I am really afraid of the world. My son, my son is three years old and I am really afraid of the world he's going to live in. So thing is that I hope that the world will be a better place. But there are two, there are too many indicators that life actually is going to be worse. And I really do think that in order to prevent this, humanity has to put aside all those stupid conflicts and wars, especially right now with Israel and Ukraine and african outbreaks and well, all the, all cruel stuff happening across the globe, I really do think that humans have to put those things aside to work together to try to prevent the future we as we know it, from science fiction movies.
Mizter Rad [00:43:30]:
Okay, interesting.
Roman Axelrod [00:43:33]:
From the technological standpoint of you, I have already spent a few, few, probably ten minutes describing this overall concept of human computer humanity.
Mizter Rad [00:43:46]:
Yeah, tell me something, where can people know more about you and XPANCEO? How can they reach you? If they want to talk to you, they want to try the contact lenses. What can they do?
Roman Axelrod [00:43:58]:
Well, first of all, there's my page in LinkedIn and company, Beijing, LinkedIn, then our website. Those are the places to acquire the latest info, the latest updates about our journey. In case you want to contact me, I am. Well, I'm really open to the chat. Just do not hesitate to message me in LinkedIn or in Instagram or probably telegram in any of those networks. You will find myself as Roman Excelrod. Just my name. So my nickname in Instagram and telegram and LinkedIn is just my name in case you travel to Middle east, in case you're in Dubai, please do knock at my door and I will be more than happy to show you.
Roman Axelrod [00:45:00]:
Our lab is located in the Internet city of Dubai, just across, just on the opposite side of Google office. So it's very easy.
Mizter Rad [00:45:11]:
Just one last question, Roman. Why did you choose Dubai? Why are you based in Dubai?
Roman Axelrod [00:45:16]:
First of all, we really do like the, the way leadership of the country sees the future. And they have really proven themselves to not just to visualize, but to proactively work towards their specific vision of the future. 30 years ago, there was basically nothing here. Today, the place is one of the best cities in the world. Of the most open minded cities in the world. Then it is very convenient from the logistics point of view. 8 hours to London, 8 hours to Singapore, 8 hours to New York, 8 hours to Tokyo, 8 hours to basically anywhere. Then we do see a pattern of best scientific minds migrating to UAE or Saudi Arabia because of.
Roman Axelrod [00:46:19]:
Because of the talks, because of the climate, because of the quality of life, of course, because it's very clean, very safe. Of course you need to be prepared for harsh three months of summer, but the bread of God, it's a great place to live, right?
Mizter Rad [00:46:41]:
Okay. Well, Roman, it was a pleasure to have you. I hope one day we can meet up and try on your contact lenses. I would love that.
Roman Axelrod [00:46:50]:
I would love that as well.
Mizter Rad [00:46:51]:
Have a good day. Thank you so much.
Roman Axelrod [00:46:53]:
Have a good day. Thank you so much. Thanks. Bye.
Mizter Rad [00:46:56]:
Bye. Ciao, Mizter Rad.